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Industrialized medicine arose in the context of Matt’s philosophical sources and very much relates. Mechanistic medicine would be another way to describe the subject.

We very much need a process oriented medical system. That said the benefits of industrialized mechanistic allopathic medicine include germ theory, anaethesia, and antibiotics, etc. These are not minor accomplishments.

The more pagan homeopaths lost that battle in spite of the benefits of their perspective, I suspect from listening to their patients and supporting their patients para-sympathetic self healing, aka the placebo effect. I’ve been told there was a strong empirical effort in the mid-late 19th century from the homeopathics, but I’ve not confirmed nor explored further.

One certainly seminal development in this interaction was the US civil war. Those officers formed the leadership ranks of post war corporate industrial America. I think it’s safe to preliminarily conclude the same for the North’s medical officers – and that also that the actual story is quite fascinating.

I’ve not read Louie, thank you for the introduction. It definitely seems makes sense that a process math would be biological, I suspect also statistical eg the probability of a concrescent outcome as also a particle concrescing from the wave field at a particular location.

I am just aware enough to know that there are interesting connections between different math fields, but I don’t know specifics.

I too think there is a mapping between concrescence and quantum field theory, a very important one.

I think I have my head wrapped around some of what you are saying. I am not completely clear as to how they relate but would not Brownian motion and statistcal approaches be applicable.

That distribution is bounded and how so is critical to understanding a particular level of
Concurrence, I suspect definitively.

That was a great group earlier, thanks.

They say quantum field theory can’t be understood, but I think this is an epistemological methodological flaw.

Certainly we cannot objectively ‘define’ an electron or photon. Whitehead points the direction to the answer.

As relation ‘objectifies’ the field to particles so too does our ability to analyze that relation.

I believe the question is not to define a quantum particle but rather understand how our ability to define arises from the quantum.

That ‘definition’ is certainly foundational in ‘understanding’ this panpsychic universe.

I was first introduced to participatory education at an early alternative school during junior high located in a nicer Hispanic neighborhood/barrio of Orange County California. As Piaget observed junior high is the time when the abstract mind forms, a cultural education that was beneficial though also the root of mathematical gaps.

One of my close friends, to the formerly bullied nerd, ended up in Folsom.

I take some pride in having substantial early involvement with two physicists associated with JPL/Caltech generally.

At the time of my birth in that geographic area my father, Richard, was employed by Standard Oil doing a geological study of the moon. He would join the Northrop corporation and was DARPA until his retirement in 96. Notably he was a protege of Carel Bossart, a good friend of my grandfather from MIT.

A teenage mentor was a Harvey Mudd undergrad who completed his phd at the University of Oregon circa Brian Swimme’s time there. I spent a HS semester training in whitewater slalom with him in Oakridge Tennessee as he was starting his career in the material science division.

I seem to have a strong mathematical intuition, not fully realized due some gaps, which is curious.

That’s a great story, one that I relate as I have been disabled since 2009, now at the age of 61.

I was acquainted with Ralph Gomory, head of R&D at IBM, in the early 80’s, from my first undergraduate institution where he sat on the board. I made points by noting that he was Mandelbrot’s boss. I was engaged with the Board over divestment policy.

I have more personal experience with the Microsoft corporation, but that’s a longer story.

I have the third edition, hard copy, and my pagination of Chapter three also goes to page 55.

I suspect that the preface has been added to the count but did not take the time to verify.

That’s an interesting question.

There is a large literature on qualia, how our brains interpret raw sense data, with color being a prominent example.

Curiously, Whitehead’s approach relates to much work from the beginnings of the reductionist scientific and industrial revolutions of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Of course the German idealist philosophers but also the American transcendentalists and the English romantics. All three were created as natural philosophy was becoming ‘modernized’. Relativity and quantum physics answered those challenges completely scientifically, but those who realized this, including Whitehead, have been too much ignored.

Goethe, the German romantic also associated with the idealists wrote on color.

Cobb certificate instructor Matt Segall has dived into Goethe’s work on color.

Goethe and Whitehead article in “In Dialogue: Journal for Holistic Science”

That’s an interesting question.

There is a large literature on qualia, how our brains interpret raw sense data, with color being a prominent example.

Curiously, Whitehead’s approach relates to much work from the beginnings of the reductionist scientific and industrial revolutions of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Of course the German idealist philosophers but also the American transcendentalists and the English romantics. All three were created as natural philosophy was becoming ‘modernized’. Relativity and quantum physics answered those challenges completely scientifically, but those who realized this, including Whitehead, have been too much ignored.

Goethe, the German romantic also associated with the idealists wrote on color.

Cobb certificate instructor Matt Segall has dived into Goethe’s work on color.

Goethe and Whitehead article in “In Dialogue: Journal for Holistic Science”

That’s an interesting question.

There is a large literature on qualia, how our brains interpret raw sense data, with color being a prominent example.

Curiously, Whitehead’s approach relates to much work from the beginnings of the reductionist scientific and industrial revolutions of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Of course the German idealist philosophers but also the American transcendentalists and the English romantics. All three were created as natural philosophy was becoming ‘modernized’. Relativity and quantum physics answered those challenges completely scientifically, but those who realized this, including Whitehead, have been too much ignored.

Goethe, the German romantic also associated with the idealists wrote on color.

Cobb certificate instructor Matt Segall has dived into Goethe’s work on color.

Goethe and Whitehead article in “In Dialogue: Journal for Holistic Science”

This subject is an important one and still being thought out.

Personally, I would speculate that the creation of Spacetime is the first concresence, perhaps also the one that gives ‘birth’ to the primordial nature of ‘god’in this ‘epoch’.

There is grounded speculation on these topics in modern physics, though I am not trained in the subject I have found guidance in many YouTube videos. Roger Penrose’s cyclical universe theory goes to that question, though perhaps it’s a little bit dated at this time.

The popular author Carlos Rovelli addresses the subject in ‘The Order of Time’. Although Rovelli explicitly rejects panpsychism (I believe in Helgoland) and presumably also panentheism his work does actually support those approaches.

His argument about time and entropy was compelling for me and is curiously contrasted with Whitehead’s notion of time from life giving creativity.

My own experience of ‘god’ starts from a decidedly atheistic point. My father was second generation MIT an Uber ‘nerd’ at the time of my birth long before that word came into use.

I believe your question Kathleen goes to the notion of William James’ ‘radical empiricism’ as I inquired about in class.

I am most certainly an empiricist, but also believe in the validity of subjective experience – which may well be by nature always spiritual.

Part of Whithead’s biography that has not been covered in this course is the nature of the grand effort of Whitehead and his student Bertrand Russell to create a fully objective universal mathematics in the ‘Principia Mathematica’. This effort was one of the most productive failures in the history of science, Godel subsequently proving that a completely objective mathematical reality is not possible.

Although I have not found a citation for this it seems very clear to me that Whitehead’s Process philosophy was an answer to that same failing, it is not possible to create a complete model of reality without a subjective aspect.

This is not an endeavor of narcissistic anthropomorphism, we can also be aware of others subjective experience, human and non-human.

There is more work to be done on this subject.

I found Griffin’s argument to be compelling but his language very difficult – my brain just does not ‘process’ or ‘prehend’ his portmanteau words of three letter acronyms.

I do like very much his use of prehension as an adverb to perception, ‘prehensive perception’. Tjat curiously resonates strongly with my own linguistic consciousness.

I do think we need a renewal of our educational system. Though not going directly to your point my own educational history mirror Dr Davis’s airplane metaphor (I forget the original source – Whitehead’s wife??)

I had two three year periods of unstructured alternative education, Junior high and the start of my college career. I would characterize this as a flying phase and the subsequent return to traditional education as being very productive.

However in spite of having multiple honors from one of the US’s top public universities I found professional employment for only about five years.

That’s a longer story, but one that also goes to your thoughts.

Developmentally I’ll share one observation regarding Piaget and the airplane metaphor, the development of the abstract mind while in flight mode I think is a good thing though the law may be of a contrary opinion.