Enrique Hernández Laos
- Enrique Hernández LaosParticipantOctober 21, 2025 at 8:05 pm in reply to: Combination problem, Concresence of and complex organism, Eternal Objects #38168
Hi @josh, thanks for your comments, sure, will review your response on Georges post… Cheers
- Enrique Hernández LaosParticipantOctober 21, 2025 at 8:01 pm in reply to: Combination problem, Concresence of and complex organism, Eternal Objects #38167
Hi @Chrisd,
Thanks for the insight and detailed reply — really helpful.For questions 1 and 2: got it.
For question 3: I’d like to push a little further…
Are eternal objects viewed as specific goals or more like pathways or geometric planes?
Becasue if they are specifit goals I guess they would need to be evolving, otherwise all the posibilities in the universe for all eternity would need to be allready there waiting to be ingresed by concrecense ?
- Enrique Hernández LaosParticipant
Hi all, great thread! Thanks, Rick, for opening the discussion.
My intuition would be that actual occasions of increasing complexity build upon simpler ones to form different organisms. In this way, subatomic particles form electrons and protons, which in turn form atoms and molecules. Our body is an integration of many systems (simpler organisms) that each have their own purpose, coupled together into a body with its purpose of sheltering and surviving.
Our subjective self, I would guess, is an even more complex organism coupled on top of the body. It is not dual, emergent, or epiphenomenal; it simply has a different kind of experience and feels different due to its complexity. I would also guess that cultures and societies are of the same sort — large, stable, evolving systems coupled on top of individuals, each with its own goals and sense of feeling.
I studied philosophy as a second major after many years of reading and searching, anxious to learn the truth about reality. In the end, I’ve come to the conclusion, first, that nobody really knows — and second, that this is the beauty of life and our universe: the more we try to understand it, the more we marvel at it.
As Whitehead would say, the final purpose is to create and have an aesthetic experience.
Cheers 🙂
- Enrique Hernández LaosParticipant
Hi Alexandra,
I liked your comment and completely agree — our usual understanding of nature is very anthropocentric. Your example of the behavior of crows and geese makes perfect sense, and I think that, without going too far into metaphysics, it highlights the importance of our everyday observations of animals, insects, and plants through an optic that sees their actions as meaningful and purposeful.
Thanks for sharing,
Cheers 🙂
- Enrique Hernández LaosParticipant
Thanks Josh, I guess the tricky part is to see how how actual ocations give rise to new posibilities in what I understand as some kind of retrocausal efect that pushes creativity forward.
- Enrique Hernández LaosParticipant
Thanks Josh,
Great idea!! all your feedback and from the class will be of great support…
Cheers,
